Podcast 564 – “Plants and Mind (Part 2-Chimpanzee or Bonobo)”


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Guest speaker: Terence McKenna


Date this lecture was recorded: April 1993

[NOTE: All quotations are by Terence McKenna

“And that’s what we are now, semi-human. We’re capable of enormous acts of kindness and appalling acts of brutality.”

“All of our institutions have been built up on the assumption of ego and dominance hierarchies, and deconstructing that is really what the future is all about.”

“I think the modern family is, first of all a very modern invention, and basically a cauldron for the production of neurosis.”

“Ego is like a cyst which will begin to grow in you, whether you are male or female, unless you take a psychedelic. The psychedelic will dissolve this cyst. The cyst is in your personality. It’s a tumor. It shouldn’t be there. We do need to have egos, little egos.”

“What is impressionism but LSD thirty minutes in?”

“I don’t think there’s much chance of survival without a major effort to reestablish archaic styles and institutions.”

“Hallucinogens are intra-species pheromones of some sort. They carry information across species lines.”

“History is the consequence of an animal species losing its connection to the Gaian mind.”

“I don’t think we can fix ourselves through rhetoric. If we could fix ourselves through rhetoric then Buddha and Christ would have done the job.”

“The private issue, certainly for me and probably for most of you, [is that] it’s easy to take psychedelics the first time because you don’t know what you’re getting into. Ever after that you have to really have a little chat with yourself, and there are barriers to overcome.”


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  1. Wow I had never given it much thought before but women facilitated my first LSD, DMT and MDMA experiences! Mushrooms too if you count Gaia as a woman 🙂

    Maybe guys are more trusting of women, so will more readily take a dive into unknown waters when with women. Women certainly have an important role to play in contemporary psychedelic culture.

    Lu: I believe the ‘new’ substance was salvinorin A, from the plant ‘salvia divinorum’.

  2. Brilliant Q & A! I didn´t quite get the name of that new substance he is talking about. Could you write it down here for me, please?

    All the best!

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