Podcast 364 – “Communicating with the Mushroom”


Guest speaker: Terence McKenna

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[NOTE: All quotations are by Terence McKenna.]

“That’s the core puzzling experience, when you meet the Other organized as a speaking mind.”

“What you call man is time.” [Quoting the mushroom.]

“It’s as though a certain level of intoxication with the mushroom is the precondition for being able to communicate, but is not itself enough.”

“What happens with DMT is you leap over all the barriers in the first few seconds. Unlike mushrooms where over hours and hours on a high dose you might navigate yourself to the center of the Mandela, DMT is like being struck by metaphysical lightening.”

“[DMT] raises all the questions in a hurry. It’s so intense and so oriented toward the other and the visual and the hallucinogenic that it isn’t really like a drug. It’s more like an event that you ran into. You just came around a corner and there was the unspeakable.”

“History is the siren song of the soul.”

“The terror of drugs is a terror of giving up control. This is what people are most alarmed about by psychedelics, is the giving up control.”

“I see the psychedelic experience as both the centerpiece of prehistoric life and destined to be the centerpiece of any future that we want to be part of.”

“The tension in the world is the tension between the ego and the feminine, not between the masculine and the feminine.”

“And psychedelics now, as we de-condition ourselves from the post-medieval world, they are present to hand as tools.”


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Books mentioned in this podcast

The Chalice and the Blade: Our History, Our Future
By Riane Eisler

One Foot in the Future
By Nina Graboi

Posted in Ayahuasca, Books, Consciousness, DMT, Psilocybin, Psychedelics, Terence McKenna (mp3).


  1. McKenna’s description of the ‘shroom as communicating verbally struck a chord with me, in appreciation for his work & these shows I’ll offer a couple things it’s said to me over the years.

    “This world is shot through.” Which I take to mean that material reality is, from some viewpoint, less impermeable and opaque than we tend to perceive.

    Another time I looked to the sky and heard “The diamond jewel of heaven smiles upon you, because you are.” Not sure what that means except I can’t think of a more singularly beautiful thought. Smiles to you too, Lorenzo.

  2. The world needs more people like you Lorenzo. I look up to you very much. Did I miss the Burning Man update a while back? I havnt heard anything about the lectures yet & we are a week away!!!! I’m pretty religious about the podcast too. I was hoping to meet you again like in 2007. Love Love Love Lorenzo!

    [COMMENT by Lorenzo: You can find this year’s Palenque Norte Lectures schedule at http://palenquenorte.com/2013/ . . . I’m sorry to say that I won’t be able to make it to the burn myself this year, but the talks will be hosted by Camp Soft Landing, which you will find at 9:15 & B. Please be sure to stop by.]

  3. Another one of “the best”.

    I can only thank God, the Goddess and your parents for your 72 years on Earth, Lorenzo, but I THANK YOU for the last 10 of keepin the faith and pulling others in through this here medium.


  4. Happy Birthday! Great podcast, I’m so happy to hear you enjoy doing this as much as I enjoy listening. I was trying to tell if this was before or after the rough patch Terence hit…you can almost sense some hesitation or a slight melancholy beneath the usual verbal glory. I’m looking forward to checking Nina’s book, I really appreciate all these great book references as well. (PS I proceeded to spread the birthday calculation knowledge to my family, who acted like it was old news haha)

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