Podcast 562 – “What It’s Like To Be Loaded”


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Guest speaker: Terence McKenna


[NOTE: All quotations are by Terence McKenna

“Psychedelics are like any other social phenomenon. There are a lot of wannabes. There are a lot of people who are along for the ride.”

“I want to talk about what to my mind is the quintessential hallucinogen, and consequentially the quintessential spiritual and magical tool of this dimension. And that is DMT, N,N-Dimethyltryptamine.”

“A long, long time ago I took an oath to tell all secrets that came my way. Don’t tell me a secret. I won’t keep it. I’m against secrets. I’m against hierarchies, lineages. All assumption of special knowledge on the part of anyone in the presence of anyone else is abhorrent to me. I am a true anarchist, first and foremost.”

“The psychedelic mantra: I’ve done it this time!”

“And yet, the DMT thing, it’s like and avalanche of orgasmic beauty, but a certain kind of beauty. The only words that I can find for the kind of beauty that it is are bizarre, alien, outlandish, freaky, and at the very edge of what the human mind seems to be able to hold.”

“What we are about to discover is probably the least likely thing any of us expected out of our dilemma. What we’re about to discover is that death has no sting. That what you penetrate on DMT is an ecology of human souls in another dimension of some sort.”

“I never imagined that a through exploration of life’s mysteries would lead to the conclusion that, in fact, this is but a prelude. We are in a very tiny womb of some sort. Our lives are gestations, and this is not where we are destined to unfold ourselves into what it means to be human. This is some kind of a metamorphic stage, like the pupa of a butterfly, and so this is deep water.”

“I think that the human body, the human mind, these are tools for the soul to use in the effort to unlock its meaning and its destiny.”

“A drug that you take and forty-eight hours later you’re laying around in warm baths and refusing telephone calls is a drug you shouldn’t have taken.”


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  1. Is this at like another UFO convention talk or something? it seemed like he was talking to people who weren’t into the psychedelic scene as he leaned quite heavily on the extraterrestrial side of the DMT experience here and how the appearance of the machine elves were more alien than mythological or folk like.

    Great talk anyway, and great to be back in the salon, not listened that much recently, keep up the good work Lozza! Love from Liverpool, UK

    [COMMENT by Lorenzo: I agree about the audience. My guess is that it was some kind of a pagan gathering.]

  2. wow, indeed, a most fascinating talk. He goes so deep into the most secret parts of reality, with such a different use of language as for example Nisargadatta Maharaj used. Both however, I think, talk about the same underlying dimension.

    Pura Vida and thanks Lorenzo for all your work!

  3. classic McKenna!

    Lorenzo you should listen to Shpongle – ‘A new way to say Hooray’ , they sampled this talk and turned it in a piece of psychedelic art.
    The best DMT description ever meets the best DMT song ever. Well not really, ‘Divine moments of Truth’ would be the best DMT song ever (also from Shpongle).
    But I’m pretty sure you know those tracks so I’ll stop rambling! 🙂

    [COMMENT by Lorenzo: I love Shpongle, and so just now I went out to SoundCloud and listened to it. Thanks for the tip.]

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