Podcast 468 – “Investigating Life – Part 2”


Guest speaker: Peter Gorman
Sapo In My Soul by Peter GormanPROGRAM NOTES:

I have never gone to bed in Peru without having learned something new that day.” -Peter Gorman

Today’s podcast features the second part of an interview with Peter Gorman, one of the larger-than-life figures to be found among our psychedelic elders. The program begins by picking up with a story about river pirates in the Amazon, migrates to tales of running a bar in the jungle town of Iquitos, Peru that was frequented by DEA agents, and continues with Peter talking about his interactions with luminaries such as Albert Hofmann, Alan Ginsberg, Ken Kesey, Timothy Leary, and Terence McKenna. Also, Peter talks about his new book “Sapo In My Soul”, which is the first book to be published about this interesting medicine. Of interest to our younger saloners will be his telling of how, as a young man himself, he financed his trips to the Amazon and the methods he used to search for medicinal plants in the jungle.


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Peter Gorman’s Web Site

Sapo In My Soul: The Matsés Frog Medicine
By Peter Gorman

Ayahuasca in My Blood: 25 Years of Medicine Dreaming
By Peter Gorman

Posted in Ayahuasca, Culture, Kambo / Sapo, Medicine, Peter Gorman, Psychedelics, Shamanism.


  1. Glad to hear that Gorman had reservations about McKenna. No matter how much cool stuff TM said, this critique is a healthy dialogue… I was a bit surprised to hear Gorman said that Dennis thought Terence was an idiot who captivated people. The analogy of the rat being hypnotized by the snake is definitely an appropriate description of the conscious denial that the audience goes through as they process the sensational but irresistible assertions Terence fires about 10 times a minute. Red flags snapping in the wind like May Day in Moscow…

  2. Does anyone know which issue of High Times that Peter is talking about when he interviews Terence?

    [COMMENT by Lorenzo: It was issue #200 from April, 1992. It’s a collectible now: http://www.undergroundcollectibles.com/index.cfm/fa/items.main/parentcat/25644/subcatid/0/id/337276

    Here is the text of that interview from Erowid.org:
    https://erowid.org/culture/characters/mckenna_terence/mckenna_terence_interview_hightimes.shtml It’s an interesting interview; worth the time to read.]

  3. Hey Lorenzo,

    What a cliffhanger! Thanks for the Peter Gorman interview. Fascinating stuff. I loved the part at the start where Gorman was able to ‘out think’ the FBI in tracking down the Foreman guy. Smart man.

  4. Peter Gorman is the real deal and is a great guy. My experiences with him are some of the most remarkable of my life. If you are considering a trip into the Amazon you could do a heck of a lot worse than joining Peter on an adventure.

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