Podcast 610 – “Beyond the Medical Model for Psychedelics”


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Annie Oak and Ismail Ali

Annie Oak and Ismail Ali

Guest speakers: Annie Oak and Ismail Ali


Date this lecture was recorded: February 26, 2019.

Thanks to the new wave of research, psychedelics are poised to soon have legal medical use. MDMA- and psilocybin-assisted therapy are entering their final trials with “breakthrough therapy” designation by the FDA. But what’s beyond the medical model? Psychedelics have also long been used in personal, cultural, and sacramental contexts. Independently of any diagnosed disease, psychedelics can aid in the betterment of well people and support creative and spiritual growth. Regardless of whether psychedelics are legally sanctioned, there will always be “recreational” use in uncontrolled contexts. In a future society that recognizes these uses, what exactly do the systems look like that support risk reduction – and benefit maximization? In today’s podcast, Annie Oak from the Women’s Visionary Congress and Ismail Ali from MAPS discuss this issue.


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Posted in Annie Oak, Culture, Future, Ismail Ali, MDMA, Medicine, Psychedelic Research, Psychedelics, PTSD, Science & Technology, War on Drugs.


  1. Why wasn’t my last comment approved? I’m a long-time listener with a valid point of view. The other commenter got to share their feelings on this episode, why can’t I have a voice as well?

    My pervious comment was on the commonality of anit-white-male sentiments on this podcast lately (since its become socially acceptable, to single out 1 gender and 1 race or people).

    Not cool. Not progressive. Not enlightened.

    [COMMENT by Lorenzo: And it is also not very cool to jump to conclusions. I only approve comments once a week, not every day. So relax, your comment has been approved.]

  2. Please stop constantly trying to silence “white men”. How does keeping one group down help anyone? This community should be more enlightened than that. That’s just “spin the bottle racism”. In 100 years when all of the white men have been shut-up or killed, will we gain this magical victim status and then be able to call out and silence another group??? Drop it. If people of colour or people with vaginas are being turned away from speaking opportunities, speak on those specific cases. Enough general flag-waving and man-bashing already.

    Be a better leader. Either you’re racist and sexist or you’re not. No race or gender is fair game for racism unless you yourself are racist or sexist. Period. Think about.

  3. the salon is becoming less and less inspired. this guy is full of shit. Annie’s ok but jeez this was a crappy talk. a lot of words from boring authorities. free your mind

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