Podcast 538 – “Are Psychedelics Spiritual?”


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Guest speaker: Terence McKenna

Nick Sand and Lorenzo at Burning ManPROGRAM NOTES:

Date this lecture was recorded: August 10, 1998

[NOTE: All quotations are by Terence McKenna.]

“This always comes up in the discussion about are psychedelics spiritual. Or is it legitimate and coherent to talk about psychedelics as a part of a spiritual path, or a moral path, or a path to enlightenment. I’ve always said I wasn’t ready to make that claim.”

“The strange thing about the spiritual quest, or the quest for understanding whether it’s spiritual or not, is how endangered it is by answers, as I said, by closure.”

“The truth doesn’t require your cooperation to exist, but illusion does.”

“Bad trips make bad sex look like no problem, which is an amazing thing to achieve.”

“It’s very hard not to be a creature of your own time.”


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  1. Lorenzo, I didn’t catch it, what were the gnomes found in Swiss mines Terence was referring to in this lecture?

    [COMMENT by Lorenzo: As I understood it, apparently when the first really deep mines were dug, the miners often thought that they encountered fairies, elves, and gnomes that were more or less believable legends at that time. That interested me too. But I’ve not been able to find any references to that. My guess is that he read it in one of the ancient books that he collected.]

  2. Lorenzo, I just wanna say, you are a LEGEND!

    I hope you continue to do this podcast, but if you decide to stop (salon 2 etc), please know that you are greatly appreciated by the “saloners” , and like Terence you already achieved immortality, these podcasts will be here forever, for newer generations to listen to.

    Your friend in hyperspace,

    Miguel Fernandes

    [COMMENT by Lorenzo: 🙂 ]

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