Podcast 472 – “The Timewave & The Watkins Objection”


Guest speaker: Terence McKenna


[NOTE: All quotations are by Terence McKenna.]

“An interesting thing about drugs is often, when a new drug is discovered, it takes a long time to figure out how do you do it.”

“In 1948, television was introduced, and millions and millions of people lead larval, low-awareness, warehoused lives mainlining an electronic drug straight into their brains.”

“I would argue that it’s almost better to do heroin than to watch TV. At least when you’re doing heroin you’re responsible for your own reveries and thought processes. When you’re mainlining TV what is it but endless messages to fetishize products?”

“If the world is made of language, then you can hack it in the sense that you can hack code.”

“My idea of enlightenment is when ego and Tao are fused, and Tao is perceived as ego. Then everything happens with complete appropriateness.”

“I think of the mainland as Blade Runner Land.”

“Anything which must be understood by millions of people is so hopelessly divorced from how it is that it becomes a form of fiction.”

“I think what we have to do is convince people that matter is tacky.”


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Hyperborea – Terence McKenna’s Website

Autopsy for a Mathematical Hallucination? by Matthew Watkins Introduction by Terence McKenna

2012 and the “Watkins Objection” to Terence McKenna’s “Timewave Theory” . . . by Matthew Watkins

Terence McKenna’s Reading List

Posted in 2012, Culture, Eschaton, Future, Language, Mayan, Myth, Psychedelics, Terence McKenna (mp3), Timewave.


  1. “those of you who are hackers and have hacked the code…”: it’d be great to find the others who’d be interested in discussing the technical details… =)

    [COMMENT by Lorenzo: Our new forums would be the best place for a running discussion of this. So I posted a copy of this comment in the Podcast Discussion Forum under the topic “Hacking the Code”. But feel free to discuss it here also.]

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