Podcast 439 – “A Resolute Optimist of a Complicated Sort”


Guest speaker: Terence McKenna

The Genesis Generation by Lorenzo HagertyPROGRAM NOTES:

[NOTE: All quotations are by Terence McKenna.]

“Now all that stands between us and some kind of angelic completion of some sort is the dark side of ourselves and the unpaid bills of the historical process.”

“I am a resolute optimist of a very complicated sort.”

“If you have the psychedelic experience in your inventory of experiences, you are able to make a different model of reality than if you lack it.”

“I don’t think that what the shaman is doing is something metaphorical, or analogical, or allegorical. What the shaman is doing is something real that is couched in a language that we find difficult to understand.”

“Consciousness seeks the shape of its vessel. It’s like water.”

“At the center of the archaic impulse is the shaman. At the center of the shaman’s understanding of the world is the boundary-dissolving experience of psychedelics.”

“I don’t believe me. I hated theology. And I think the way to keep it light is to not believe. I will attempt to convert you in the course of these meetings to all kinds of things that I don’t believe.”

“Ideology is poisonous. We’re not trying to figure out the best thing to believe. What we’re trying to do is not believe anything and somehow have a return to the direct empowering of common sense and common senses.”


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The Genesis Generation: A psychedelic novel by Lorenzo

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  1. New to me too.
    Lots of leads to lookup.

    I heard a reference to what sounded like
    ‘Marsili ott’ or odd
    Initial searches have turned up nothing


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