Podcast 367 – “The Evolution of a Psychedelic Thinker”


Guest speaker: Terence McKenna


[NOTE: All quotations are by Terence McKenna.]

“This is a very central part of the psychedelic attitude toward the world, to entertain all possibilities but to never commit to belief. Belief always being seen as a kind of trap, because if you belief something you are forever precluded from believing its opposite..”

“In a sense, sexuality is the built-in psychedelic experience that only a very few people manage to evade.”

“Eros is an ego-overwhelming, boundary dissolving, breakthrough creating force scripted into human life that is pretty intrinsically psychedelic.”

“One of the core elements of this psychedelic thing is freedom, on the broadest scale.”

“Nothing is as boundary dissolving, except for psychedelic compounds, as travel. Travel is up there.”

“I have nothing but scorn for all weird ideas other than my own.”

“Without an understanding and a familiarity of the psychedelic experience you should be sued for fraud if you’re practicing psychotherapy.”

“The archaic revival is an invitation to historical humanity to view itself as a kind of a prodigal son.”

“What the psychedelics are for us as a species, rather than for each one of us as an individual, what they are for us as a species is an enzyme that catalyzes the language-making capacity.”


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  1. Amazing…magical…astonishing…
    I began reading the book the power of thinking big, then listening to michael Bennet on klos…I got a booklist from benner read all the books listed…focused specifically on Vernon Howards The Mystic Path to Cosmic Power and read all Vernon’s books, and pamphlets and cassette talks, then
    Carlos castenada all books then Richard wright the outsider all books read Ralph Ellison the invisible man,
    Edward T. Hall…Beyond Culture…a long story short…McKenna appeared
    Podcast 367 & 011 are jewels for me…
    The quest humble continues

  2. …then you begin to have a theory of what the psychedelic experience is, it’s the experience of the transcendent dimension of every object, and every object has a transcendent dimension, more than one. It has dimension that extends into the past, it has a dimension which extends into the future, and it has a dimension which is orthogonal to any of these, that is the internal horizon of it’s own transcendence. Now this kind of talk is Whiteheadian talk…

  3. This really was a gem of a talk! Haven’t listened in awhile and wow he sort of overloads the Neocortex as you “Think along with Terence!”

  4. If you want to see synchronicity please find me on facebook and see the message that the Universe sent me through teddy bears, a cup & a movie poster. I know it sounds aMazing but yeah. I really think EveryONE should read & see The Jungle Book 🙂

  5. When I say the tossing of the coins is connected to the past and future of “the tosser” (pun not intended), I imagine that the specific and unique moment in which the coins are tossed, and how the results are applied line by line, in an organic fashion, to the I Ching system, is a smaller fractal expression of the bigger structure of time and future waveform potentiality surrounding the moment.

  6. Yeah, the Timewave is still going strong! Hector seems to be onto something really interesting. Seeing how the I Ching actually works as a divinatory system (for me personally at least, it is scary sometimes how well it applies to my reality, and to the questions that I pose to it), it seems clear that the tossing of the coins in a given time and place and by a given person must be connected to the bigger picture i.e. the past and future of this same person, and that the hexagrams represent a qualitative numerological interpretation of the different qualities of time, space and consciousness, which renders them coherent and understandable in terms of human thought and language.

    It’s either something like that, or the Book of Changes just gets lucky time after time. Which would be quite the synchronicity. Which is a quality. Which makes all the above (everything Hector says and links to) true by definition. Which is cool!

  7. Around the 20 min mark, Terence says: “I set my life as a quest for a perverse reason: to prove that there was no mystery, in other words, to debunk it. To say ‘I will follow the ancient formulae and show that it is baloney, by doing it perfectly and achieving nothing’.”

    It seems like that is exactly what the Timewave really is. However, as Dennis says in “The Brotherhood…”: “As for Terence’s timewave, it may not be an accurate map of time, much less a tool for predicting some final event, but it does embody genuine insights, including his discovery of an ancient calendrical function to the I Ching that modern scholars had apparently not detected (…) in devising the timewave, Terence appears to have explained how that [King Wen] sequence may have been used in neolithic China as a calendar. It’s too bad he didn’t leave it at that.” (285-286, 316)

    It’s too bad he didn’t go deeper into that. In the last podcast, Terence mentioned again the “calendar of the goddess”. That seems to be his genuine insight. A feminine approach to numbers and number theory definitely seems to be part of the archaic revival. =)

    [For instance, Marie-Louise von Franz (who according to Wikipedia “was [in 1968] the first to publish that the mathematical structure of DNA is analogous to that of the I Ching”), continued C.G. Jung’s research on the archetypes of the natural numbers, and thought about number having both qualitative and quantitative aspects]

  8. Lorenzo, I can understand why you were so taken by this particular Mckenna talk. Honestly, this is probably the best talk I’ve ever heard him give, and I’ve heard A LOT. It’s such a great overview of the Mckennian philosophy. Thanks so much Lorenzo, I’d never hold anything against you for your posting of so much Mckenna in the Salon! 😛

    -Jarod Q

  9. I always love the experience I come away with from these speakers as well as your commentary. This particular podcast really caught me as it spoke to concepts I thought I was quite alone on when it comes to words.
    I find them terribly parasitic and influential beyond what our conscious mind is capable of deciphering.
    These angled constructs are seemingly designed to be a leash cleverly engineered from script and presented in print for mass con-sumption.
    I suggest this is why it is titled “English” eng-leash.
    And on and on I can write. The compounding, the anagram, all composed alchemicaly to pyrite us with a fools gold.
    These letters which cause word to deliver sentence are just noiz/zion and fail us of our common sense of language, as many dismiss the first person sensory experience for this third party parody passing itself off as truth.
    I believe there is a valid reson as to why words such as:
    have the word “true” spelled falsely within them. They are each and all not real but merely a depiction of imagination.
    Nature on the other hand is a double negative “na” as in na, no, nada, niet
    “ture” true spelled falsely
    So therefore is the truth.
    And so on it goes as I turn the “rams” of grammar in on themselves and play with reverse engineering the English word structure.

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