Podcast 217 – McKenna “Under the Teaching Tree” Part 3


Guest speaker: Terence McKenna

Terence McKenna under the Teaching TreePROGRAM NOTES:

[NOTE: All quotations are by Terence McKenna.]

“The UFO community is just fraught with the most crack-brained, peculiar, self-serving, unstable, mush-minded group of people you would ever hope to get together in one place. I mean it’s like a magnet for screwballs.” [Terence then went on, at great length, to describe his own encounter with a UFO . . . go figure :-) .]

“I’ve seen things that violated the laws of physics. I believe the laws of physics can be violated. I believe there may well be extraterrestrials somewhere in the universe.”

“My technique, which I recommend to you, is don’t believe anything. If you believe in something, you are automatically precluded from believing its opposite. Therefore you have given up a portion of your freedom, and freedom is the dearest thing we’ve got.”

“Probe the edges.”

“Psychedelics work. If you think that I’m bullshitting you, go home and take five grams of mushrooms in silent darkness and then we’ll talk. That’s the sine qua non. It’ll work, on demand. I’m not saying, ‘And wait forty years, or purify yourself, or get your aura stitched up, or any of the rest of it. It’ll work. It’ll blow your mind to shreds. It’s real.”

“What I’ve decided is that the [DMT] experience is an archetype. It’s the archetype of the circus.”

“I think where the dead and the living get together is in the dream time. Australian Aborigines have been trying to tell us this for as long as we would listen.”

“The dream state is more like the tryptamine geography than anything else.”

“Fairies respond to riddlery. This has to do with this thing about language. And the strange relationship of the Irish to intoxication, faries, and language suggests that here we might have a restrictive gene pool that has somehow indemnified itself in the direction of these peculiar concerns.”

“As long as we pursue the destruction of the Earth, and the elaboration of materialist ideology, and the suppression of psychedelic states, and the suppression of the feminine we are going to be alienated, feel abandoned, and operate in an ambiance of rampant pathology.”

“The apocalypse is no longer a rumor. It has arrived in many parts of the world.”

“Do what you think is right. Think about what you think is right, and once you’ve thought about it then do it!”


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  1. A short night-vision video was posted on YouTube, which portrayed three lights in the night sky over California. The video has been getting interest on the Web. We see this in everything from UFO reports to ghost encounters and Bigfoot sightings, where people experience something they believe is strange or bizarre and assume that if they do not know what it is, then it must be unexplainable. However, on earth there are many things which cannot be explained. UFO does exist.

  2. Comments from original blog page: http://www.matrixmasters.net/blogs/?p=1519

    Andy O


    Totally found Terence’s psilocybin guide at the used bookstore in town after listening to this podcast and right before a voyage…

    Lorzeno, this comment: “Terence then went on, at great length, to describe his own encounter with a UFO . . . go figure” is a rather frustrating one. It’s as if you ignored the explicit distinction he made between the community built around a “theology” of UFOs and the actual personal experience itself. Not only this, but after the experience he relates he clearly explains that it is not a usual UFO experience, it is not a “real UFO”. In the last one he talked about its symbolic meanings and brought up Jung’s archetypes and whatnot, all of which is to say that it is probably not a good idea to make such flippant remarks about someone like McKenna without due diligence.

    Terence had alot to say about the UFO phenomenon, and a great deal of his thinking was influenced by Carl Jung’s work on archetypes and the collective unconscious, as well as the views by UFOlogist Jacques Vallee. Terence spoke at UFO conferences, and he dealt with that community directly, and was frustrated with alot of the irrational and naive points of view that is held by many in the UFO community. But Lorenzo was just adding transcription highlights for this talk and pointed out with some humor that Terence had negative things to say about UFOlogy, but did indeed have his own experience. I am pretty certain that Lorenzo was friends with Terence, and is most certainly someone who has alot of respect for his work, so I don’t think he was trying to be offensive at all.

    Thanks geogaddiOO … and you are correct … if Terence was here right now I’d be giving him a hard time about it, and he would be coming right back at me with the argument Andrei makes. … But I don’t think it wise to hold anyone, even dear Terence, in such high regard (no pun intended) that we can’t tease them a little … even if they can no longer defend themselves. … 🙂

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