Podcast 215 – McKenna “Under the Teaching Tree” Part 1


Guest speaker: Terence McKenna


[NOTE: All quotations are by Terence McKenna.]

“The surface of things is not where attention should rest.”

“I’ve never actually seen it [smoked DMT] hit anybody quite as hard as it hit me. For about fifteen minutes all I could say was, ‘I can’t believe it!’ … This is no drug. It’s magic. It masquerades as a drug. It’s a doorway into another world.”

“We’re a society where people jump out of airplanes on weekends because their lives are so boring and empty. Well then, if you think jumping out of an airplane is a thrill to write home about you should try this stuff. No one would jump out of an airplane if they had DMT on their menu.”

“I came to feel, and I still sometimes offhandedly refer to it like this, that it [DMT] is secret. It is not a secret. It is THE secret. There is a secret, and this is it. It is the secret that the world is not only not the way you think it is. It’s that the way the world is, is a way that you can’t think it is, because you simply do not have the imaginative capacity to conceive of such overwhelming peculiarity.”

“You see, a secret is not something untold. It’s something which can’t be told.”

“Without this [the smoked DMT experience] in the picture, half the world is missing.”

“What we have discovered in DMT is, literally, a chemical doorway to the bardo.”

“One thing psychedelics will do for you, for sure, is to convince you that what’s real is what I call the felt presence of immediate experience. That’s what’s real.”

“The biological object is made of time itself as much as it’s made of space and matter.”

“I’ve come to see the body as basically the placenta of the soul.”

“The Twentieth Century is analogous to the birth canal of human history.”

“What’s interesting about DMT is that it occurs naturally in the human brain. We all make it all the time. And so, in a sense, this is not a drug at all. This is a human metabolite that you’re getting a tremendous of, but the fact that it occurs naturally in the human brain means that you have chemical pathways, bio synthetic pathways, that can deal with it.”


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  1. Comments from original blog page: http://www.matrixmasters.net/blogs/?p=1509


    “Like being shot out of a cannon with baroque barreling and afterwards people want you to draw the barreling, when what you were trying to do was live through the experience.”

    I too mourn the loss of the T.M. archive… I haven’t been to Quizno’s ever since I learned that they started the fire. I suppose that Esalen’s ingratitude for the treasure, bear’s some blame, as well. I was at a museum recently and saw some original Alchemical manuscripts… I thought of youknowwho…

    Andy O
    thanks Lorenzo…i’ll get this on the ipod immediately !

    Captain Chino
    Hi Lorenzo, thanks for all your efforts in posting talks. Many of them are excellent. But I was hoping you would refrain from posting the McKenna talks that can be easily downloaded via torrent. This would include your current week’s choice and all the talks that follow in that series. Those are easily available. The more obscure ones you post are really the best and do the most service to people, I think. Anyway, the best way to check would simply be to go to a site like The Pirate Bay or BTjunkie or ISO, and type in Mckenna’s name. Thanks!

    I understand Capt, but I don’t use Torrent, because I fear the viruses that arrive often

    Lorenzo, you did it again! I loved Terence’s talk, and I find your idea about playing the personal favourite music for olympic winners instead of national anthems a super-great idea!!

    Up Yer
    It would be interesting to learn who was Terence’s strange friend living in Palo Alto – “the real Terence McKenna”, who, in 1967, obtained material boosted from an Army reasearch being run down at SRI, a 50 gal. drum of DMT out of inventory.

    Wonder what SRI was doing with it.

    Another great Podcast. Looking forward to Part 2!

    That, is an incredible think to ponder 🙂 I wonder, did this pop up as a clue?

    Hey Lorenzo, check out this amazing new McKenna art someone’s created: http://showcase.thebluebus.nl/soundtrack-of-my-li

    Shiggy, that was a lovely drawing, thank you for the link. It’s an enjoyable site in general even.

    I very incredible talk by TM. One of the best I’ve heard. Clearly, TM was in a more relaxed state/environment here.

    I, too, am curious as to who the “strange friend” might be. Any ideas? Perhaps it’s best left unsaid or unknown. People like that probably enjoy their anoniminty.

    The playing of one’s personal favorite song at the olympics might just get me to watch them — or at least pay more attention.

    Lorenzo, have you ever mentioned the 2008 ‘Know Your Mushrooms’ documentary? i googled it up along with your site looking to see if you’d ever referred to it and found nada.

    i’m in the middle of it now, having rented it thriough netflix, and the seritonin cascade it’s given me has been heavenly. not to mention how wonderfully educational it is in general regarding the myco worlds of beneficiary delights i apparently haven’t regarded or studied near well enough. i can’t recommend this film enough. worth a post in itself i’d dare say.

    Lorenzo, yes, I agree the rarer the McKenna podcast the better as, I assume, much of your audience at this point has become Terrence-fanatics and downloaded all of the lectures readily available online in one big torrent.

    Interesting observation about McKenna’s library burning down and Huxley’s. Made me think.

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