Podcast 200 – “A Few Words From Our Elders”


Guest speakers: Gary Fisher, Sasha Shulgin, Ann Shulgin, Myron Stolaroff, Baba Ram Das, Timothy Leary, and Terence McKenna


“So I looked upon these materials as being catalytic, not productive, they do not do what occurs, they allow you to express what is in you that you had not had the ability to get into and express yourself without the help of the material.”
Saint Veronica's Veil image used in the Menlo Park experiments
“My main argument for continuing to use the term [psychedelic] is that people may not approve of what you’re working in or what you’re saying, but at least they know what you’re talking about.”

“My interest in these compounds is that they let you open up the doors inside your own psyche. They allow things to be more obvious, more apparent than the conscious mind usually lets them be.”

“The psychedelics, the visionary plants, allow you to do deeper looking and a different kind of learning, because what comes to you is a different sort of knowledge.”

“The ’shadow work’ is, perhaps, the most important use of these materials, as far as I’m concerned, that there is. Because it’s in opening up the shadow and discovering it’s not a monster, that it’s not a terrible, horrible beast, that it is the uncultivated, the unsophisticated and slightly, sometimes, unlawful part of ourselves, which can be one of our greatest allies as long as we can find the courage to do the work necessary to discover it and become one with it and to negotiate with it.”

“I consider them [psychedelics] basically spiritual tools.”

“The place we share is that place that stands nowhere, not the place that’s caught in these spirals that involve intellectual advance, or ‘Now we know it!’, and so on. That’s all like little ripples on the ocean.”

“The Great Way is not difficult for those who have no preferences. When love and hate are absent, everything becomes clear and undisguised.”

“…neuro-geography that tells us that where you are determines who you are, habitat determines species.”

“We are literally at a position where collectively, working in harmony, we can do most of the things, and take the responsibilities, which in the past have been attributed to the great deities of the past. I think the Golden Age is ahead. It’s the age of humanist science, humanist technology, pagan science, pagan technology, high tech, high touch.”

“I think it’s our duty as explorers and as frontier scouts for our species to invent new terminology. … I really feel that words are tremendously important. . . . We’ve got to develop a new terminology. We simply can’t use the language that has been around for three or four thousand years because more people have been killed in the name of god that any other word around.”

“Well somebody once asked me, you know, “Is it dangerous?” And the answer is, only if you fear death by astonishment.”

“Do not give way to astonishment! Do not abandon yourself to wonder! Get a grip! Try to get a grip, and notice what we’re doing! Pay attention!” – this is the mantra: “Pay attention! Pay attention!”

“On DMT, these entities – these machine-like, diminutive, shape-shifting, faceted machine elf type creatures that come bounding out of the state – they come bounding out of my stereo speakers, if I have my eyes open – they are like, you know, they are elfin embodiments of syntactical intent. Somehow syntax, which is normally the invisible architecture behind language, has moved into the foreground. And you can see it! I mean, it’s doing calisthenics and acrobatics in front of you! It’s crawling all over you! And what’s happened is that your categories have been scrambled, or something; and this thing which is normally supposed to be invisible and in the background and an abstraction has come forward and is doing handsprings right in front of you. And the thing makes linguistic objects; it sheds syntactical objectification. So that it comes towards you – they come toward you – they divide, they merge, they’re bounding, they’re screaming, they’re squeaking – and they hold out objects, which they sing into existence, or which they pull out of some other place. And these things are, you know, like jewels and lights, but also like consommé and old farts and yesterday and high speed; in other words, they are made of juxtapositions of qualities that are impossible in three-dimensional space. What they’re like is – and in fact, this is probably what they are – what they’re like is, they’re like three- and four- and five-dimensional puns. And you know how the pleasure of a pun lies in the fact that it is… it’s not that the meaning flickers from A to B; it’s that it’s simultaneously A and B, and when the pun is really funny it’s an A,B,C,D pun; and it’s simultaneously all these things… well, that quality, which in our experience can only occur to an acoustical output or a glyph which stands for an acoustical output – in other words, a printed pun – in the DMT world, objects can do this. Objects can simultaneously manifest more than one nature at once. And, like a pun, the result is always funny. It’s amusing! You cannot help but be delighted by this thing doing this thing.”

“History is a con game run by frightened men and their obedient stooges.”

“The transformation of culture through art is the proper understanding of what you can do with psychedelics besides blow your own mind.”


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  1. Lorenzo, this is just a superb website and so immensely historically relevant, but that Christist image you have displayed here is surely the most demonic horror ever produced, a masterpiece of evil propaganda – no wonder so many people got their sacred apples ‘n onion domes confused if they were concentrating on that little Rosemary’s baby, what an abomination, the very incarnation of “satanic” duplicity…apo pantos kakadaimonos!

  2. Comments from original blog page: http://www.matrixmasters.net/blogs/?p=1405

    Lorenzo, this was an amazing podcast. Maybe the best yet. Your finale was beautiful and inspiring. Thanks for waving the flag!

    Congratulations on your 200th podcast, Lorenzo. 🙂

    Lorenzo, thank you so much for all the great work you’ve done! And of course congratulations with number 200!!

    Congrats on the big 200, Lorenzo! Thanks for all the time and effort you’ve put into these podcasts over the years. You’re a legend!

    Congratulations to your 200th! And thanks so much for all your fun-da-mental concepts and counterconcepts I learned over the years here on the salon!

    Congratulations Lorenzo and to all Saloners for the 200th podcast! When I discover the Salon I thought to myself: what a cool media to transmit ideas, I heard your kind and laid back voice and I was hooked. Thank you for all your dedication and please continue for many years! Miguel Fernandes

    Again, congrats on your 200th, Lorenzo!

    congratulations, keep up the inspiring work!

    a really loud cheer came from me when I realized we made it to #200!! #100 was an exciting milestone too, and I really like what happened with you finding that Shulgin talk you loved. I know you’ll eventually decide that the podcast is complete but I hope that the actual Psychedelic Salon stays online for as long as possible.

    This time Shulgin repeated something I’ve heard here before and it’s one of my favourite quotes ever from the Salon. It’s the story of the Schizophrenic man who picked his own PET scan out of a lineup because he always saw that “little star-shaped shiny thing” that appeared in his brain scan. I can’t remember if it was Shulgin or Fisher who first told that tale but MAN, that one always put my hair up on end.


    Alex Wall
    Hey Tribe!

    I just wanted to let you all know that my site (alexwallmusic.com – shown above) is temporarily out of service. It will be back, and the link here will work again soon.

    Thanks to Lorenzo for such a great show and for the podcast in general. It sure has meant a lot to me!

    Thanks to all of you for your patience…
    Alex Wall

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