Podcast 156 – “Treating Schizophrenia with Psychedelics”


Guest speakers: Gary Fisher and Charlie Grob


In 1963, Dr. Gary Fisher wrote a paper titled

Interim report on Research project:
An Investigation to Determine Therapeutic Effectiveness of
LSD-25 and Psilocybin on Hospitalized
Severely Emotionally Disturbed Children

(This link will take you to the full report.)


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Dr. Charles Grob[From the Report]
We have given treatment to 12 patients. They have ranged in age from 4 years, 10 months to 12 years, 11 months. The average age is 9 years, 10 months. All patients are severely emotionally disturbed and are considered variants of childhood schizophrenia and infantile autism. Nine Children are considered to be childhood schizophrenics, one case of symbiotic, infantile psychosis and one case of manic-depressive psychosis. . . . We have found that the patients who have responded best to the treatment are those who: have speech; are more schizophrenic than autistic; older (10 to 12 yrs.); exhibit more blatant psychotic symptomatology . . . Higinio Gonzalez and Gary FisherThe working hypothesis of this study is that the psychosis is a massive defensive structure in the service of protecting and defending the patient against his feeling and effectual states. The experiences that have produced such painful and frightening affect have been repressed and the feelings produced by such traumas have been denied. Consequently, the individual has built a massive control system wherein all experience is denied and he exists in an isolated, unfeeling condition which renders him helpless and incapacitated. The psychedelic drugs have the potential of breaking this psychotic control which then allows the individual to re-experience his trauma and to again experience his feelings. Art by Higinio GonzalezThis phenomena has been amply proven with our work with these severely disturbed children, wherein they return to traumatic experiences and re-live and re-experience them. By working through these painful episodes the patient is then able to rid himself of the horror of them, to reevaluate their significance and be freed of the psychic effects of their repression. This process has been repeatedly observed in our psychotic children. The transcendental experience, often described in the literature, has occurred with 4 of our children. It might be added that we were very surprised to see this experience occur in such disturbed and young children.

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  1. Comments from original blog page: http://www.matrixmasters.net/blogs/?p=697

    WOW! Did this podcast hit the nail on the head for me. As I’ve posted before, I was at UCLA during the LSD years and actually broke thru suicidal depression steming from young childhood abuse using high dose LSD. My small world became 10 trillion times bigger and my problems became small in comparison with all the love in this ten-trillion faceted universe.

    Thank you Lorenzo, some of the information that comes thru you continually changes my life. And as Leary said, “you’re only as old as the last time you changed your mind”. Gary’s last sentence about “give it to everybody” was what I tried to do back in the day, and still think it is what should be done now.

    I can easily mourn the loss of LSD as a tool to help others, and that our society so sucessfully has blocked the transformative use of this good, which seems like the evil empire strangling the good, and it is. However, as psychedelics can show the opposites occuring simultaneously and more than that, when I’ve broken thru by letting go to the highest states of bliss, the highest state of knowledge and being, I see that it all is perfect just as it is right now. The unfolding has its secrets. All the problems are mind-stories from KFUCK radio playing in my head. And the bliss is from my head also; the light shines out of me. That the whole thing in every part and its indivisible whole, is shimmering, exquiste, interlocking suchness, indestructable, exactly perfect.

    (if you let go, things fall together, not apart)

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