Podcast 122 – “Saving the World”


Guest speakers: Terence McKenna, Ralph Abraham, Rupert Sheldrake


Today’s program features the second tape in a series of trialogue tapes that were recorded in September 1991 at a private recording session with Rupert Sheldrake, Ralph Abraham, and Terence McKenna. It begins with a wrap-up of their previous conversation, titled “Grass Roots Science”. And then they begin with a new topic, introduced by Terence McKenna and his plan for “Saving the World”.

[NOTE: All quotes below are by Terence McKenna.]

“If mere speaking about saving the world could do the job it would have been saved quite some time ago.”

“As I look at the various factors which seem to be pushing the world toward ruin, the one I come back to again and again as being central to any social program which would create a sane and caring future for our children and lessen the impact of human beings on the environment is the problem of over-population. All other social problems can be seen as being driven by the excess of human population on the Earth.”

“First of all, let’s just take it at face value: Each woman should bear only one natural child. Now what would be the demographic consequences of this? Startlingly, within fifty years the population of the Earth would be cut in half, without war, epidemic, forced migration, government programs of sterilization, and so forth and so on.”

“A child born to a woman in a high-tech, industrial society, in the upper class of that society, will have between 800 and 1,000 times greater negative impact on the resources and carrying capacity of this planet than a child born to a woman in Bangladesh or Zaire. This is something we are not often told.”

“Notice that you can say to this college-educated, upper-class woman, ‘How would you like to have more leisure time, save a pile of money, and be hailed as a political hero? All you have to do is limit your reproductive activity to one child.’ “

“I don’t think that the preservation of capitalism is a sufficient reason to ruin the world and rob ourselves and our children of a sane future.”

. . . and from there, Ralph and Rupert point out a few of the problems with Terence’s plan and go on to propose yet another clever solution for saving the world.


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